For once, the rumours may actually be true: this week, after an epic technical failure in Shanghai, Jenn took the opportunity to hijack No. 51 with the help of legendary behind-the-scenes lurker, Julie Housh. Past-Chair of Barista Guild of America, former Competitions Coordinator of World Coffee Events, and current Executive Assistant to SCAA Director, Ric Rhinehart, there’s a good chance you’re familiar with or have somehow been touched by* Julie’s work, despite the fact that she tends to fly “under the radar.”

Together, they drag Episode 51 in a slightly different direction from the norm as they chat about backstage shenanigans, their mutual love of spreadsheets, barista guilds, unorthodox coffee career paths, career sustainability, the performance of gender in competition, the importance of allowing yourself to fail, awkward self-serving statements, and the current role of social media in the coffee industry.

*That’s what she said.

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